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[-] CarefulHarlequinWolf6353 +0 points · 5 months ago

I would like to buy this

http://www.wish.com/c/57ad4f5e87e5ff18c6a609b4

I have no insurance . No doctors notes . can't afford to get a study .

Is this auto machine good ?

Thanks

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[-] wiredgeorge +0 points · 5 months ago Sleep Enthusiast

Just a couple suggestions on what I would do without insurance. First, I would save my bucks for a home sleep study. Without such a study, there is no basis to select or set up any CPAP machine or even know if one is needed. I saw the home sleep study product for sale at about $350. The ones advertised that I saw provide you with guidance on what type machine and what type pressure to use. If you are like me, I need a machine that can push 25 pressure and a normal CPAP machine will only go to 20. If you buy ANY machine without know which machine to buy, you could be wasting your money.

Next, NO ONE can guess whether a Chinese machine will be working at the standard that makes therapy reliable because few have tried them. Might be OK. I have had very mixed results with Chinese products; usually the ones marketed under a US company have more strict quality standards imposed by the US company than do ones that are not marketed by US companies. I could look at the web page you gave us as a pop up came up over the product wanting me to sign in but I did find the machine elsewhere. It had a pressure capability of 2 up to 20 so I couldn't use the thing.

If your suggested home sleep study indicates you need therapy, then consider whether the Chinese made machine will have a good warranty or support. I suspect not. I would prefer to get a USED name brand machine based on what the study points you to. You have a couple choices. You can go Craigslist and take your chances. I bought a spare Resmed S9 for $200 and it turns out it needs a new blower motor which will cost me $150. I lost the CL lottery I guess but will probably get this one fixed. It HAS to be fixed at a ResMed qualified repair place as ResMed won't internal parts directly. I have taken it apart and checked/cleaned its internals thoroughly. Next option is to buy from a store that sells second hand.

http://www.secondwindcpap.com/

I am not advocating use of this company as I have never used them but it seems they offer a 6 month guarantee and I could have bought my S9 from them for the same amount I am going to have to spend on a repair plus the initial cost. It could be you won't need a Bipap machine and straight CPAP machines are a bunch cheaper. The auto machines add quite a bit to the cost and you may not need one. Choose a sleep study company that is willing to give you guidance on which machine to pick up and consider they will need to give a prescription if you buy a new one as a prescription is needed I think. There are dizzying number of machines and types of machines and the terminology varies by manufacturer so once you have an idea WHICH type machine is needed and what pressure settings and such, drop back in for advice as I am only familiar with ResMed stuff and other manufacturers are likely just as good. Good luck!

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[-] CarefulHarlequinWolf6353 +0 points · 5 months ago

Thank you for the information , this is the kind of response i was looking for , thanks !!!!!

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[-] barbz +0 points · 5 months ago

I have used SecondWind...great customer service. Good people to deal with. The owner is a respiratory therapist. Very knowledgeable in all ways.

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[-] GregariousMagentaRoseCaterpillar4081 +0 points · 5 months ago

I almost had a home study form this company http://sleepmedinc.com/ I was told it would be $250 per night. I ended up going with the one my insurance would pay for. That cost me nearly $1200. I should have paid cash for the one for $250. Try checking out some sites like that. I would assume they will give you prescription if you need one. Then you should be able to buy a machine here instead of taking your chances on one from China. It might be a fine machine, but we just don't know. Best wishes!

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[-] barbz +0 points · 5 months ago

There is a company at this link: http://axgsleepdiagnostics.com that is more involved regarding the hookups. There are several levels of sleep studies listed.

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[-] jsielke +0 points · 5 months ago

I got my Phillips Dreamstation Auto on Amazon, brand new, for about the same price (<$400).

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[-] sleeptech +0 points · 4 months ago Sleep Commentator

Worth remembering that home studies can be less reliable than a proper, monitored, in-lab study. It mostly depends on which equipment they use. We use 25 sensors to measure at least 19 different parameters (some parameters use 2 sensors). Some home study kits use a few as 3 or 4, and fewer sensors means less data and therefore less reliable results. I not very familiar with healthcare in the US (Where I assume you are), but having a trusted doctor to talk to about it is also very worthwhile, as they can take you entire health history and situation into account. Some of my patients have used Secondwind CPAP with good results.

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[-] GregariousMagentaRoseCaterpillar4081 +0 points · 4 months ago

True but the home studies cost less. The one I linked only costs $250 a night. I had to pay nearly $1200 for one night at home with equipment form my local lab, and over $4000 for one night at the sleep lab. Not possible for everyone.

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[-] wiredgeorge +0 points · 4 months ago Sleep Enthusiast

I can't speak to whether my in-clinic sleep study was typical but there was no doctor around; only a tech who had been instruction to NOT talk to patients. The doctor came in some time during the day and evaluated the data and wrote a prescription and a technical report. I was never able to see this doctor. I had to demand a copy of the prescription and report. I had to parse all the techno-babble in the report (I had to pay a co-pay to google hehe) and try and figure out what it was telling me. Report and prescription also sent to my primary care physician and she admitted she wasn't well versed in sleep disorder and I really learned nothing from her.

Anyone anticipating the need for a sleep study should look at any and all feedback on the sleep clinic OR the home sleep study company and do the best you can picking out one that provides some follow-up.

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[-] GregariousMagentaRoseCaterpillar4081 +0 points · 4 months ago

No doctor for my lab test either. Techs were there, but no doctor was on site at all. I asked about it.

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[-] sleeptech +0 points · 4 months ago Sleep Commentator

It is common (in Australia anyway) for there only to be technicians present when the study is performed. The data is then analysed by another tech and finally reviewed by a doctor. We are not allowed to discuss the results (much) with the patient in the morning after the study, however, once the specialist has reviewed that results and made a comment we are quite free to discuss them with the patient. Indeed, a large part of my role is education because that often makes a big difference in compliance with and effectiveness of treatment. In-lab studies are available in Australia completely free of charge (although there are also private facilities which are quite expensive). I understand the cost factor very well, and would simply add to be careful and know what you are getting for your money. I have met way too many people who have shelled out thousands of dollars for equipment they don't need based on a sketchy home-based study. It is possible to get home-based equipment which return basically the same data as an in-lab study (although there is no tech there to ensure data quality), you just need to keep yourself well informed.

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[-] barbz +0 points · 4 months ago

I have had maybe 5 sleep studies done over the years. There has never been a doctor present during any of them, even at those labs connected to a sleep doctor's office. I do not think it is standard practice. The price of a study is high enough, but I would hate to see the bill if the doctor was present!

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[-] wiredgeorge +0 points · 4 months ago Sleep Enthusiast

I didn't mean to suggest a doctor be present during the info gathering part of the study. I suggest the doctor who writes the prescription could take a few minutes and explain the detail and implications. Just pushing out a prescription is unprofessional in my humble opinion. With a cost heading upwards of $10K for an in-lab sleep study and CPAP titration study, I suspect the lab is wanting to crank out as many people as they can and the doctor reading the data has time at a premium but a patient consultation should be a LEGAL REQUIREMENT.

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[-] sleeptech +0 points · 4 months ago Sleep Commentator

I very much agree Wiredgeorge. Doctors are paid very well to be responsible for your healthcare. They should explain everything fully to you at every stage. If your doctor is not explaining things to your satisfaction, make them. Or get another doctor. Being properly informed about your health makes a huge difference to the outcomes.

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