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Hi Southaustinative

I have no idea sorry but if you don't get enough info here you could try this forum:

https://whirlpool.net.au/

Can I buy one online? :)

You forgot to include the electricity costs SleepDent.

An interesting study, thank you.

I especially liked the Provent trial (ineffective for OSA) and yes I was aware of the cost of dental appliances although if we are comparing the overall cost of CPAP as paid by the insurance companies in America the margins you describe disappear.

The study showed a few quirks but was largely predictable and I don't feel that it really addressed the question that I raised although I can see how it might seem to, but I suspect some of the links within that study might.

If someone has researched what I consider to be the dependence issue I expect it will support CPAP usage but I'd like to see it regardless.

It was worth knowing that leaving the CPAP at home for a few weeks whilst on holidays seems to do no lasting harm, at least for those with moderate apnea.

The history does interest me but I've used up my quota of neurons for now. :)

Sleep Apnea and its deadly aftermath

I don't doubt that CPAP is beneficial for short term sleep and daytime benefits and the evidence seems irrefutable that it helps prevent or delay long term illnesses associated with apnea so what is my problem? (Be nice now)

All of the research seems designed to sell the benefits of CPAP or just the usual research into research or research into the methods employed by other researchers etc.

Some research compares different treatments like CPAP and dentistry (which is a clear winner in the moderate range) but there appears to be no research into the impact of assisted breathing on each aspect and function of the airways and lungs if the treatment is discontinued. (for obvious reasons)

It seems that the whole dependence issue is ignored because the therapy is viewed as perpetual and inescapable so why would it matter but this isn't necessarily true of those suffering from moderate apnea.

What I would like to know is what outcomes would be achieved if you took 100 subjects with OSA between 5 and 15 and treated half of them with CPAP for 6 months (while the other half had no treatment) then took their machines away and waited a few weeks before running all the tests again. Would the CPAP group be better or worse than the non CPAP group in OSA events and lung function?

I would also like to see more emphasis on how to prevent or significantly delay the transition to therapy and some more sensible approaches to the assessment and treatment of moderate apnea.

Ideally this would involve education and public awareness campaigns related to apnea and fitness as well as alternate or multi staged treatment methods.

I've just had dinner so I'm struggling to grasp a single concept let alone juggle two or three of them but it seems to me that there is something missing in this picture.

I'll move this to another thread.

Sierra is out trying to find his paddle. :)

On a slightly more serious note drluigi

Don't go in with all guns blazing.

Leave the frustration and anger at home and focus ONLY on the fastest and smoothest path to whatever outcome you want.

That might require some notes with dates and figures etc but stay focused on your immediate goal.

In other words keep it simple and play it cool.

If you feel compelled to outline your grievances do so AFTER you have the desired paperwork in hand.

Just advice I give myself in similar situations. :)

As for setting the machine up afterwards. I did it myself from scratch and I had no prior knowledge nor any forums to refer to.

If you choose the independent route you shouldn't have any problems getting it sorted.

Maybe the subject should have been How To Have A Meaningful Discussion With Your Doctor?

That might be a subject that I have a teensy bit of experience with.

Then you could follow up in a few days with

How To Find A New Doctor and the sequel

How To Recover My Medical Records

If you play your cards right you could have an entire series ....... :)

With the final thread being

How Do I Escape From This Country? (Could someone loan me a ladder)

Or better yet

How Do I Get To Australia? (Can I borrow your canoe Sierra?)

Anyways I've probably been too helpful already so let me conclude with my opening statement.

I really don't know what to say. :P

Oh a real question requiring a real answer! :O

You are speaking to the profoundly ignorant here drluigi.

And not just because of your bad choices. :)

Others know stuff .............

But they're too busy snoring.

I'm just here to create chaos. :)

Sleep Apnea and its deadly aftermath

Hello again drluigi

I don't know what to say which is a rare moment for me.

And it's all your fault!

If you didn't make such bad choices

Like living in the wrong country

With the wrong health systems

And the wrong insurance systems

I really don't know how things work over there so any advice I might offer is totally invalid.

The way I would normally deal with something like this over here is to take control.

Tell them all to go jump, figure out for myself what was needed and just do it!

If only life were that simple eh?