Biguglygremlin

The live discussion was quite entertaining.

The National health panel answers your questions about sleep

Can I get Real Housewives of Toronto on youtube too Sierra? :)

If you want a more mundane answer this article has a paragraph entitled Prevalence and a bunch of references to studies around the globe.

The Epidemiology of Adult Obstructive Sleep Apnea

Of course they kind of imply that everybody over the age of 30 who is still breathing is a likely subject for Apnea research which would mean the the real number for CPAP therapy and compliance is way lower than 10%

I'm sure I have broken lots of rules historycleaner but I doubt that it is relevant in this case.

I reckon Ruby hid it just to make me look bad! :O

Or maybe it was stolen by some misguided script lurking in a dark corner of the program.

Either way, despite being guilty as charged, I don't think I can take the credit for it's disappearance.

Lol I thought that was just me. It would be nice to be able to blame something else for a change. :)

I have also had issues in a number of areas within the forum (no idea where, I'd need a memory for that) but I have found that most of them can be evaded by launching a simple reply first then going back in edit mode to do whatever it was I couldn't do from the start.

Difficult things seem to work better in edit mode than in reply mode.

There was a domestic product in the supermarkets here called FeBreze that was fairly effective but I've not used it in such a limited environment.

Hi jcpmt

I haven't done any research into CSA but I have always understood that too much pressure can cause CSA events.

When I first got my machine I started the pressure at 11 with only OSA events and gradually pushed it up to 17 which induced a number of CSA events. I dropped the pressure back down and the CSA events stopped. I didn't need 17 Just 12 or 13 works fine for me but I wanted to know what would happen.

I am not familiar with the machine you are using but I think you need to take it back to the place you got it and talk to them about it.

I'm not very trusting so I would never leave a machine in control to the extent they seem to with the auto CPAP machines.

If you are comfortable at 11 then why is the machine usually preset to go as high as 20. Why isn't it limited to just 14 or 15?

There may be a good reason but I don't know what it is.

Much of the above discussion is not about Denzel specifically but about the bigger picture of best practice for treating mild Apnea.

Muley, and I, as well as the research paper he referenced, all tried to make a point that has been totally missed or misconstrued.

At no time was it stated or even implied that mild Apnea should not be treated.

The question was never if it should be treated but how it should be treated.

The reason I am still hanging around this forum is embedded in this issue.

I believe that CPAP is an irresponsible, short sighted, lazy way to treat Apnea when there is still a potential, in mild cases, to develop and apply real solutions with the hope of turning the situation around and enabling lasting lifestyle changes.

I think if we were socially and morally responsible we, the ones who are already condemned to depend on these machines for the rest of our lives, should be doing everything in our power to direct people away from CPAP dependence and towards REAL solutions that would enable them to avoid our mistakes and the circumstances that have entrapped us.

In my view all the funding, research, educational campaigns, expertise and help should be directed towards prevention and cures for those with mild Apnea and not focused on hooking them all up to CPAP machines.

I move around and talk in my sleep too anahid1 but it's usually related to action or conflict or panic and if I wake shortly afterwards I do remember the events that were running in my dream/nightmare at the time.

In my case it is all related to REM Sleep Behaviour Disorder but I suspect there are a cluster of sleep disorders involving similar issues.

I was reading an article this morning about research into the use of Melatonin for Sleep Behaviour Disorder

Mayo Clinic Study

It doesn't seem to help me but it is generally considered 'safe'

I certainly hope you can get some answers and better yet some solutions because you certainly don't need health issues when you are still young.

Could I suggest that you video the next event if it is not too traumatic or dangerous to do so because it could be very helpful to his doctor.

Hello anahid1

It must have been a terrible experience for you, and for him.

Can he talk to his doctor about it?

What do you think is the cause?

Do you think it will happen again?

Has he spoken to anyone recently about his Apnea?

Was he receiving any treatment for Apnea or any other sleep disorders?

If he was standing and still couldn't breathe there is a serious problem

Normal Obstructive Sleep Apnea shouldn't do that.

Central Apnea probably shouldn't have him making choking sounds.

Neither Apneas should cause him to stand up whilst still essentially asleep.

Sometimes when we are really shocked and confused the sequence of events and details get all mixed up and endless replays don't really help get it sorted.

Not sure what the relevance of that is or what you could or should do about it but anyone he approaches will need to run tests or find some way to verify things somehow.

I've generally agreed with your position on most things Sierra but I guess there is a time and place for everything, including dissent. :P

Despite it's misleading title the article does not actually recommend that Apnea not be treated but suggests that it would be better if it were treated by a range of alternatives to CPAP.

I could be wrong here of course but isn't it true that OSA is normal in the population and so Apnea is not diagnosed below 5 events per hour.

Wasn't this number reached in conjunction with capitalist organisations and marketing companies who depend on sales and other aspects of the sleep industry for their income stream along with 'authorities' who depend on statistics to justify credibility, power and funding.

If those interests were involved in choosing a level of OSA to be deemed normal and their motives and goals are clearly self serving what would be a truly normal range?

If we are not prepared to put all humans on air or oxygen therapy where do we draw the line?

More importantly and relevant to your comparisons WHO do we trust?

I must admit to feeling that there is a large dose of wisdom in the above admonition from Muley to look closely at the disclosure statements and even then add a generous pinch of salt if you are as skeptical as I am because everybody has multiple agendas. (I note that you yourself have often raised a caution related to research results that are industry funded)

I certainly believe that something should be done about mild OSA.

Not just something but a whole range of things.

I feel quite strongly that if we are to find solutions to Apnea then nearly ALL the focus and help needs to be directed to those with mild apnea with the goal of preventing it from deteriorating into more serious Apnea.

CPAP is Not The Solution(says me with very severe Apnea who is totally dependent on CPAP)

CPAP It is a form of surrender.

CPAP seems to me to be a very lazy and shortsighted approach especially when it comes to treating mild Apnea.

Even if your prophecy of pending doom for mild Apnea sufferers should prove true surely many other options could have been applied before resorting to CPAP

Well that is my feeble attempt at a dubious victory. It was worth a shot though wasn't it? :)

You are invaluable to this forum Sierra and a source of hope and confidence to many despairing CPAP users.

I admire your precision and research capabilities.

I'm just a stirrer who plays with the abstract and philosophical angles.

I may sometimes be right in principle but there is little doubt that you are right in practice.

That doesn't mean that I have to like it though! :P