Biguglygremlin

Your usual mix of sound logic and precision Sierra. Thank you. :)

The link you posted was interesting in that it tried to define just what Melatonin might be doing in the equation.

"In studies, melatonin reduced muscle tone during REM sleep (people moved less during this stage of sleep) which means a decreases ability to enact dreams."

That implies that the goal might not be to prevent events but simply to restrain the events. I might have to think that one through a bit more but my new toenail reckons it's a step in the right direction.

My doctor prescribed 2 mg but I doubt that she knew much about treating RBD. Nobody I have met so far has much knowledge of the subject and certainly no prior experience.

I took 2.5 mg for a few nights then reduced it to 1.25 for a number of weeks but the side effects were not survivable and there was no purpose in continuing at that dosage. (I have no problems getting to sleep)

It's doubtful that I will have the courage to give it more than one more try so when I'm in the right place I will take 10 mg per night for a couple of nights and then halve it to 5 mg and continue on that dosage for as long as I can to see what happens.

I figure that gives me the best shot at reducing the side effects and still having an effective dosage.

What I don't understand is what I should be looking for. What outcomes? How to quantify any changes.

I had originally presumed the goal was less events but if it's just events that are less violent that will be a lot harder to evaluate.

The following article was interesting but unfortunately my experiences so far seem to have been the same as the "one patient for whom melatonin increased both the frequency and severity of RBD episodes."

Mayo Clinic Study Shows Melatonin Helps Alleviate Violent Sleep Disorder Symptoms

Sorry Vulegnarts,

I do get easily distracted. :(

I tend to hang onto the baby and recycle the water but maybe that wasn't such a good idea this time.

Thanks for your input and advice.

It really is appreciated.

Did you have any side effects when you first started using Melatonin?

The live discussion was quite entertaining.

The National health panel answers your questions about sleep

Can I get Real Housewives of Toronto on youtube too Sierra? :)

If you want a more mundane answer this article has a paragraph entitled Prevalence and a bunch of references to studies around the globe.

The Epidemiology of Adult Obstructive Sleep Apnea

Of course they kind of imply that everybody over the age of 30 who is still breathing is a likely subject for Apnea research which would mean the the real number for CPAP therapy and compliance is way lower than 10%

I'm sure I have broken lots of rules historycleaner but I doubt that it is relevant in this case.

I reckon Ruby hid it just to make me look bad! :O

Or maybe it was stolen by some misguided script lurking in a dark corner of the program.

Either way, despite being guilty as charged, I don't think I can take the credit for it's disappearance.

Lol I thought that was just me. It would be nice to be able to blame something else for a change. :)

I have also had issues in a number of areas within the forum (no idea where, I'd need a memory for that) but I have found that most of them can be evaded by launching a simple reply first then going back in edit mode to do whatever it was I couldn't do from the start.

Difficult things seem to work better in edit mode than in reply mode.

There was a domestic product in the supermarkets here called FeBreze that was fairly effective but I've not used it in such a limited environment.

Hi jcpmt

I haven't done any research into CSA but I have always understood that too much pressure can cause CSA events.

When I first got my machine I started the pressure at 11 with only OSA events and gradually pushed it up to 17 which induced a number of CSA events. I dropped the pressure back down and the CSA events stopped. I didn't need 17 Just 12 or 13 works fine for me but I wanted to know what would happen.

I am not familiar with the machine you are using but I think you need to take it back to the place you got it and talk to them about it.

I'm not very trusting so I would never leave a machine in control to the extent they seem to with the auto CPAP machines.

If you are comfortable at 11 then why is the machine usually preset to go as high as 20. Why isn't it limited to just 14 or 15?

There may be a good reason but I don't know what it is.

Much of the above discussion is not about Denzel specifically but about the bigger picture of best practice for treating mild Apnea.

Muley, and I, as well as the research paper he referenced, all tried to make a point that has been totally missed or misconstrued.

At no time was it stated or even implied that mild Apnea should not be treated.

The question was never if it should be treated but how it should be treated.

The reason I am still hanging around this forum is embedded in this issue.

I believe that CPAP is an irresponsible, short sighted, lazy way to treat Apnea when there is still a potential, in mild cases, to develop and apply real solutions with the hope of turning the situation around and enabling lasting lifestyle changes.

I think if we were socially and morally responsible we, the ones who are already condemned to depend on these machines for the rest of our lives, should be doing everything in our power to direct people away from CPAP dependence and towards REAL solutions that would enable them to avoid our mistakes and the circumstances that have entrapped us.

In my view all the funding, research, educational campaigns, expertise and help should be directed towards prevention and cures for those with mild Apnea and not focused on hooking them all up to CPAP machines.

I move around and talk in my sleep too anahid1 but it's usually related to action or conflict or panic and if I wake shortly afterwards I do remember the events that were running in my dream/nightmare at the time.

In my case it is all related to REM Sleep Behaviour Disorder but I suspect there are a cluster of sleep disorders involving similar issues.

I was reading an article this morning about research into the use of Melatonin for Sleep Behaviour Disorder

Mayo Clinic Study

It doesn't seem to help me but it is generally considered 'safe'

I certainly hope you can get some answers and better yet some solutions because you certainly don't need health issues when you are still young.

Could I suggest that you video the next event if it is not too traumatic or dangerous to do so because it could be very helpful to his doctor.