Biguglygremlin

Hello anahid1

It must have been a terrible experience for you, and for him.

Can he talk to his doctor about it?

What do you think is the cause?

Do you think it will happen again?

Has he spoken to anyone recently about his Apnea?

Was he receiving any treatment for Apnea or any other sleep disorders?

If he was standing and still couldn't breathe there is a serious problem

Normal Obstructive Sleep Apnea shouldn't do that.

Central Apnea probably shouldn't have him making choking sounds.

Neither Apneas should cause him to stand up whilst still essentially asleep.

Sometimes when we are really shocked and confused the sequence of events and details get all mixed up and endless replays don't really help get it sorted.

Not sure what the relevance of that is or what you could or should do about it but anyone he approaches will need to run tests or find some way to verify things somehow.

I've generally agreed with your position on most things Sierra but I guess there is a time and place for everything, including dissent. :P

Despite it's misleading title the article does not actually recommend that Apnea not be treated but suggests that it would be better if it were treated by a range of alternatives to CPAP.

I could be wrong here of course but isn't it true that OSA is normal in the population and so Apnea is not diagnosed below 5 events per hour.

Wasn't this number reached in conjunction with capitalist organisations and marketing companies who depend on sales and other aspects of the sleep industry for their income stream along with 'authorities' who depend on statistics to justify credibility, power and funding.

If those interests were involved in choosing a level of OSA to be deemed normal and their motives and goals are clearly self serving what would be a truly normal range?

If we are not prepared to put all humans on air or oxygen therapy where do we draw the line?

More importantly and relevant to your comparisons WHO do we trust?

I must admit to feeling that there is a large dose of wisdom in the above admonition from Muley to look closely at the disclosure statements and even then add a generous pinch of salt if you are as skeptical as I am because everybody has multiple agendas. (I note that you yourself have often raised a caution related to research results that are industry funded)

I certainly believe that something should be done about mild OSA.

Not just something but a whole range of things.

I feel quite strongly that if we are to find solutions to Apnea then nearly ALL the focus and help needs to be directed to those with mild apnea with the goal of preventing it from deteriorating into more serious Apnea.

CPAP is Not The Solution(says me with very severe Apnea who is totally dependent on CPAP)

CPAP It is a form of surrender.

CPAP seems to me to be a very lazy and shortsighted approach especially when it comes to treating mild Apnea.

Even if your prophecy of pending doom for mild Apnea sufferers should prove true surely many other options could have been applied before resorting to CPAP

Well that is my feeble attempt at a dubious victory. It was worth a shot though wasn't it? :)

You are invaluable to this forum Sierra and a source of hope and confidence to many despairing CPAP users.

I admire your precision and research capabilities.

I'm just a stirrer who plays with the abstract and philosophical angles.

I may sometimes be right in principle but there is little doubt that you are right in practice.

That doesn't mean that I have to like it though! :P

Yes a very interesting article Muley Mild Obstructive Sleep Apnea Should Not Be Treated {Link to above article.}

It's a view that should be broadcast and applied as fully as possible.

I believe that not just medical or surgical intervention should be applied to Apnea below 20 but also urgent education and training as well as any other kind of intervention that could help people to manage their lives more effectively without resorting to a lifetime dependence on CPAP machines.

I think the reason I created this thread was to find out if the side effects were relevant to dosage.

As well as if the side effects were impacted by other things like food or time taken.

I also wanted to know if and/or at what rate the side effects diminished.

For most people a few side effects might be irrelevant and that is largely true of me too.

What do I care if I have a perpetual headache or spend my days in a new type of fog.

Those things I can deal with but the dreams are a whole other issue.

When I dream I act and it was with the mistaken belief that it would help with RBD that I began using Melatonin in the first place.

The last thing I need is more dreams so I have been forced to quit altogether until I can find a safe way forward.

I think I need to start again at a higher dose and persist until it either works or I am forced to quit again but it would be easier to endure if I knew how long it was likely to be before the side effects subsided, presuming that they do subside.

So the bottom line is that most research is not really informative when it comes to the questions I need answers to and it is not usually relevant to RBD which appears to require higher doses of Melatonin than most other applications.

Thank you for your suggestion Vulegnarts

I guess there must be more behind the site than what I'm seeing because from here it looks like a clever marketing strategy but not much useful information.

Is it really scientific research when this supposed peer review seems to have been undertaken for the primary purpose of creating a legal argument for a patent and license application.

How can you patent a dosage? It seems a misuse of the whole concept of patents and deliberately obstructive to everybody else.

Same here singingkeys

I've been using nuance nasal pillows (which don't jam into the nose but just float on the nose) for years now and have my share of congestion but generally if you can clear the nostrils and sinuses as well as possible the CPAP airflow will keep it clear for the duration of the night.

There is congestion and there is swelling from infection or allergies and you need to deal with both.

I also use decongestant nasal spray when desperate but I understand that the steroid spray is more effective in the long run but you need to apply it earlier (an hour or two beforehand) and consistently (every night) or at least that is the impression I got from my local chemist.

I haven't seen much mention of these in the forum.

CPAP Hose Insulater

Does anyone use them and do they work?

It might be natural but it can have unwanted results in the wrong circumstances.

I was hoping to get a better understanding of the effects it can have through the experiences of other users.

I guess it's not the right venue for this discussion.

Ouch!

That's going to hurt. :(

Very cute!

Now what can I get to keep my pink bed socks from falling down?